Comments on: Separation of Church and State http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/ losing faith in humanity, one person at a time Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:47:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Ava http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-8024 Ava Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:06:59 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-8024 dude, so wish I read this awhile ago. I am standing above my computer clapping.... dude, so wish I read this awhile ago. I am standing above my computer clapping….

]]> By: Brad http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-85 Brad Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:47:36 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-85 No, I just stole your style because it was pimpin. ;) No, I just stole your style because it was pimpin. ;)

]]> By: Arshia http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-82 Arshia Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:07:24 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-82 Hey Brad, are you mocking me? Hey Brad, are you mocking me?

]]> By: Brad http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-79 Brad Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:23:16 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-79 Dear Mike and Navid, Please note that the US is based around religion. Listen to one of George Bush's speeches and note how many times the word "God" comes up. The only reason, in my mind, that US is not religious is because they think themselves to be God and act accordingly by punishing the "sinners" of the world. Arigato. (Thank you) Dear Mike and Navid,
Please note that the US is based around religion. Listen to one of George Bush’s speeches and note how many times the word “God” comes up. The only reason, in my mind, that US is not religious is because they think themselves to be God and act accordingly by punishing the “sinners” of the world. Arigato. (Thank you)

]]> By: Arshia http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-78 Arshia Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:35:12 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-78 Dear Mike, Please note that the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution are known collectively as the Bill of Rights. Thank you. Dear Mike,
Please note that the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution are known collectively as the Bill of Rights. Thank you.

]]> By: Mike http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-75 Mike Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:30:22 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-75 Oh sorry, I shouldn't have posted the 1st amendment. The real thing that's against your idea is the bill of rights: ''The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship". I don't think I need to explain this. Oh sorry, I shouldn’t have posted the 1st amendment. The real thing that’s against your idea is the bill of rights:
”The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship”. I don’t think I need to explain this.

]]> By: Mike http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-73 Mike Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:25:26 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-73 This is part of Democracy. If there are a lot of people who are religious then being religious will get thme to like you and get you elected. The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". No one has broken that. If you make a law that says "if you go to church then you cannot vote" you are prohibiting the free excercise of religion, breaking the first amendment. Your suggestion makes no sense at all. I understand you don't expect this to be enforced and just saying it cause you think it would be nice, but it really wouldn't. People like candidates for many reasons and if one of them is religion, this has nothing to do with the first amendment. And all the anti gay laws for example are not made based on religion, but based on the definition of marriage. Yes, basically a good lawyer looked at the text and read it word by word and saw that it says a "man and a woman". The law is not saying "gays can't marry because it's against religion" but "gays can't marry because marriage is defined by the law to be between a man and a woman". The idea behind it is religious but the law itself isn't, so there is a separation between church and state. This is part of Democracy. If there are a lot of people who are religious then being religious will get thme to like you and get you elected.
The first amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”. No one has broken that.
If you make a law that says “if you go to church then you cannot vote” you are prohibiting the free excercise of religion, breaking the first amendment.

Your suggestion makes no sense at all. I understand you don’t expect this to be enforced and just saying it cause you think it would be nice, but it really wouldn’t. People like candidates for many reasons and if one of them is religion, this has nothing to do with the first amendment.

And all the anti gay laws for example are not made based on religion, but based on the definition of marriage. Yes, basically a good lawyer looked at the text and read it word by word and saw that it says a “man and a woman”. The law is not saying “gays can’t marry because it’s against religion” but “gays can’t marry because marriage is defined by the law to be between a man and a woman”. The idea behind it is religious but the law itself isn’t, so there is a separation between church and state.

]]> By: Navid Azimi http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-70 Navid Azimi Mon, 08 Nov 2004 00:41:38 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-70 I still disagree, Mike, because the separation of church and state is not the same as the un-involvement of church in state, and vice-versa, but rather, the separation of ideals between the two. Therefore, its not an issue of their "religiousity" but rather an implication of their ideals. It is apparent that the majority's desire to up hold their moral beliefs has outweighed the logical, bipartisan political system. I personally find it odd that for a country which preaches on the fundemental separation of church and state has a leader elected primarily on the basis of religious morals and values. The irony makes me want to kill myself. I still disagree, Mike, because the separation of church and state is not the same as the un-involvement of church in state, and vice-versa, but rather, the separation of ideals between the two. Therefore, its not an issue of their “religiousity” but rather an implication of their ideals. It is apparent that the majority’s desire to up hold their moral beliefs has outweighed the logical, bipartisan political system.

I personally find it odd that for a country which preaches on the fundemental separation of church and state has a leader elected primarily on the basis of religious morals and values. The irony makes me want to kill myself.

]]> By: Arshia http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-69 Arshia Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:34:15 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-69 Amen. I went to work today. Preach on Brad! Amen. I went to work today. Preach on Brad!

]]> By: Brad http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-68 Brad Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:50:45 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-68 Eh, I'm going to hell anyways. Mine as well make it worth it.;) Eh, I’m going to hell anyways. Mine as well make it worth it.;)

]]> By: Mike http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-67 Mike Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:37:25 +0000 http://www.navidazimi.com/archives/2004/11/07/separation-of-church-and-state/#comment-67 That would be the exact opposite of separation of church and state. Everyone should be allowed to vote and participate without concidering their religion or in this case their "religiosity". But fuckin shit, these people are stupid. Believe in god all you want, but the stupid book was written thousands of years ago. Don't impose your stupid morals on us. For example Commandment #4 - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work. Work on Sunday and you will go to hell. That would be the exact opposite of separation of church and state. Everyone should be allowed to vote and participate without concidering their religion or in this case their “religiosity”.

But fuckin shit, these people are stupid. Believe in god all you want, but the stupid book was written thousands of years ago. Don’t impose your stupid morals on us.
For example Commandment #4 - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work.

Work on Sunday and you will go to hell.

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